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V-Square


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發表於 04-5-13 23:00 |只看該作者

印印來了兩個月都學唔好廣東話

唔知有無媽咪記得我的經歷，我的印印來了都兩個月，做野都無問題仲好勤力ｔｉｍ，最差係溝通，英文已經不好，廣東話更差，來了都兩個月都無進步，如果唔係心軟（因為佢要還７個月糧比ａｇｅｎｃｙ　＆做野ｏｋ）同埋等人用，我會晨早炒咗佢 :-(
近來我覺得大女的英文差了好多，並且無興趣學英文，我老公歸咎於個工人英文差，以前個賓賓同個女用英文溝通無問題，仲係完整句子ｔｉｍ，如果個女唔識講都會問：媽咪，ｘｘ英文點講呀？”我教了佢就自己同工人講，但對住ｌｅｅ個印印就無，唔知個女係唔係以為個印印會廣東話，所以講野中英夾雜 :-( 最離譜佢居然同個工人講：please give me fai chi(筷子) / please tam cheung tan la (拿橈來) :-( 死味 :-(
我打算比多兩個月時間個印印，如果ｄ廣東話都無進步就炒 :-( 會唁會好殘忍
沒有醜嘅女人, 只有懶嘅女人!
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hehalady


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2#
發表於 04-5-13 23:45 |只看該作者

Re: 印印來了兩個月都學唔好廣東話

正常情況下，印印係學過廣東話 gar bor ....... 就算初初講唔正，佢地好快就學到 gar lar，咁妳平時多唔多同佢講 "廣東話" 先？

妳要比佢意識到，一定要懂得說"廣東話" ，妳唔好等多兩個月喇，[size=large]快 d 叫 Agent 思想教育下佢喇 (可能係佢識講，但唔同妳講 jar，因為 jar jar 帝溝通唔到，咁妳就唔會叫佢做多 d 野 lar ma (我估 gar jar) :-P
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V-Square


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3#
發表於 04-5-14 08:47 |只看該作者

Re: 印印來了兩個月都學唔好廣東話


因為好多時同印印講廣東話時佢唔明,反而講英文單字會易明d,所以我地貪方便會多講英文law :-(
今朝我同個工人講以後唔準講英文要講廣東話,希望佢講得多會有進步,我都唔想中途炒佢,佢慘時我地又要請個新的都煩啦
沒有醜嘅女人, 只有懶嘅女人!
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ballpen


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4#
發表於 04-5-14 10:46 |只看該作者

Re: 印印來了兩個月都學唔好廣東話

vivienmak,

要印印講廣東話流利,都要首先畀佢有多啲機會可以聽到廣東話,同埋要有機會講廣東話先至得,要記住佢唔係神仙,佢唔會就咁自己識講的,所以你應該以後唔好同佢講英文,就算佢唔明,都唔可以講英文,一定要全程廣東話,你又諗吓,香港人自細就學講英文,學左十幾廿年,啲英文唔係又係咁水,個印印只係來左兩個月,佢又點可以識好多廣東話呢?畀啲時間同心機,去同個印印溝通,等佢有多啲機會練習廣東話喇.

仲有,你個小朋友啲英文退步左,都唔好怪個印印呀,教小朋友唔係工人嘅責任,而應該係老師同父母嘅責任,你應該要阻止你個女再用一半中一半英咁同個印印講嘢,咁樣溝通法,對佢哋兩個都無益處的,你應該教你個女,要用廣東話同個印印溝通,唔好再用英文夾中文,如果你想個女啲英文好啲,咁你可以自己用英文同你個女溝通的.

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snoopy


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5#
發表於 04-5-14 13:32 |只看該作者

Re: 印印來了兩個月都學唔好廣東話

vivienmak :

我之前個印印來了我家3個月, 佢的廣東話又係無進步,agent 同佢講了2次, 第2次時個印印同agent 講,話自己識講英文唔洗學廣東話 (因佢之前在新加坡3年), 咁agent 咪話佢, 如太太的家人要用英文溝通, 點解唔用賓賓要請你呀! 佢先無出聲咋, 你叫agent 比d壓力佢.
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心雨


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6#
發表於 04-5-14 13:56 |只看該作者

Re: 印印來了兩個月都學唔好廣東話

我屋企個印印呀, 來左5個幾月, 廣東話8成以上都唔識聽, 日日同佢講廣東話, 都唔識聽, 連"紙巾"這句話由第一天來每天都講, 講到現在5個幾月, 一叫佢拿紙巾, 第一個反應就"乜話" 然後要指住盒紙巾慢慢講,佢先明, 真係唔得佢死, 但我估佢特登扮唔識聽, 我講叫佢拿乜嘢吃, 佢識聽, 唔成日唔聽話, 你叫佢做乜, 佢自己諗, 唔跟你意思做, 叫佢大熱天時, 抱住我個女唔好用冷毛巾包住BB (熱到BB大哭, 一見佢抱就扭計), 睡覺就要用蓋住肚仔, 佢特登次次抱住佢就包住, 就佢唔好咁样, 佢將我個女放在床上睡覺(BB四個月)沒有用任何被或毛巾蓋住肚仔, 問佢點解唔蓋住, 佢答你, 太太你叫我唔好包住蓋住 :-( , 好多呢D問題, 我已经忍唔可忍, 决定換咗佢, 佢唔知下一個會唔會咁唔好彩 :-( , 心大心細唔和點算, 我真係唔識選工人
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Grumpy


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發表於 04-5-14 15:02 |只看該作者

Re: 印印來了兩個月都學唔好廣東話

唔知點解我幾個工人都成日聽唔明紙巾架!!!! :-x
阿女係我心肝小寶貝.希望佢大左開開心心,無憂無慮. 佢快樂就是我快樂.
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birdbird


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發表於 04-5-14 15:03 |只看該作者

Re: 印印來了兩個月都學唔好廣東話

同意ballpen講法.

個印傭黎o左幾個月, 真係唔好旨意佢o既廣東話會好得去邊.

比著我地自己, 去第二度做o野, 唔上番d語文班, 睇下電視, 出街買下o野, 同同事講o野, 我睇都幾難會識當地話. 識都唔止係幾個月的功夫la.

至於小朋友中英夾雜咁講o野, 就算請菲傭, 都有咁o既情況出現.

我個friend用菲傭, 佢個女同菲傭講, ‘Tse tse, I 幫 You’.我個friend就即刻糾正個女. In fact, 菲傭d grammer都係麻麻. 唔好望會教好小朋友.

語言訓練, 都係家長同老師的責任大d.
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hehalady


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9#
發表於 04-5-14 22:38 |只看該作者

Re: 印印來了兩個月都學唔好廣東話

ballpen 寫道:
vivienmak,

要印印講廣東話流利,都要首先畀佢有多啲機會可以聽到廣東話,同埋要有機會講廣東話先至得,要記住佢唔係神仙,佢唔會就咁自己識講的,所以你應該以後唔好同佢講英文,就算佢唔明,都唔可以講英文,一定要全程廣東話,你又諗吓,香港人自細就學講英文,學左十幾廿年,啲英文唔係又係咁水,個印印只係來左兩個月,佢又點可以識好多廣東話呢?畀啲時間同心機,去同個印印溝通,等佢有多啲機會練習廣東話喇.

仲有,你個小朋友啲英文退步左,都唔好怪個印印呀,教小朋友唔係工人嘅責任,而應該係老師同父母嘅責任,你應該要阻止你個女再用一半中一半英咁同個印印講嘢,咁樣溝通法,對佢哋兩個都無益處的,你應該教你個女,要用廣東話同個印印溝通,唔好再用英文夾中文,如果你想個女啲英文好啲,咁你可以自己用英文同你個女溝通的.


完全同意妳的講法

係呢，我叔仔先前果個賓賓成日同我姪女講：[size=medium]Open/Close the light, Open/Close the TV .....，咁我姪女作文果陣就寫Open/Close the light, Open/Close the TV ..... ，攪到我叔仔要貼張紙係度教個賓賓點講英文啊！
路遙知馬力，日久見人心！
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Fatty


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發表於 04-5-14 23:22 |只看該作者

Re: 印印來了兩個月都學唔好廣東話

如果你炒佢, 你都保証唔到下一個一定好過呢個, 而且從字面上睇, 佢冇做錯野, 咁都要炒? 有D人天生冇語言天份, 想學好D都未必做到.

我個人就唔會指意工人教小朋友英文, 最重要佢做好家務, 照顧到我仔仔, 我仔仔開心咁就ok, 我要求唔算高, 所以我好少因為工人而煩惱.

我個都係印印, 頭半年都係唔識講廣東話.
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發表於 04-5-15 07:40 |只看該作者

Re: 印印來了兩個月都學唔好廣東話

我新印印都黎左6日啦,雖然廣東話都係唔好,不過我同老公返左工之後,bb睇電話佢都會一齊睇,我覺得咁樣都好有幫助佢學到廣東話的(因為我個女yrs2明天先返學,平時我放工先去街市買野,所以印印唯有學廣東話係睇電視或者同我夜晚talking咋)

Fatty 寫道:
如果你炒佢, 你都保証唔到下一個一定好過呢個, 而且從字面上睇, 佢冇做錯野, 咁都要炒? 有D人天生冇語言天份, 想學好D都未必做到.

我個人就唔會指意工人教小朋友英文, 最重要佢做好家務, 照顧到我仔仔, 我仔仔開心咁就ok, 我要求唔算高, 所以我好少因為工人而煩惱.

我個都係印印, 頭半年都係唔識講廣東話.
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strawberries


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發表於 04-5-15 14:12 |只看該作者

Re: 印印來了兩個月都學唔好廣東話

我個印印黎左一年，廣東話一ｄ都唔掂，
我諗係佢語言能力低∼∼∼激死！
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V-Square


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13#
發表於 04-5-15 16:49 |只看該作者

Re: 印印來了兩個月都學唔好廣東話

語言天份低唔係錯，錯就錯在我信錯ａｇｅｎｔ請了印印，如果唔係我會選賓賓 :-(
我同老公都要番工，屋企得４歲的女及６個月大的ｂｂ，又無老人家一齊住，要是有什麼頭暈身慶，個工人又唔識打電話叫救命，到時都唔知點算
賓賓都叫識英文，打９９９ｄ警察都知佢講ｍｕｇ！
沒有醜嘅女人, 只有懶嘅女人!
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林太太


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14#
發表於 04-5-15 17:30 |只看該作者

Re: 印印來了兩個月都學唔好廣東話

Vivienmak,
你講得好arm, 語言能力低唔係佢的錯.自問我地香港人,由細讀書用英文,但如果睇電視英文台無字幕,又有幾多人完全聽得明?
如果你工人其他方面做野ok,態度ok,已經不錯lar.
至於小朋友的英文水平,我覺得不用太緊張,因可以在學校或playgroup或日常和父母talk時操返標準英語.講真,賓賓的英語都並非全是標準的(pronunciation & grammar),其優勢(我個人意見)只是局住令小朋友夠膽開口講(但未必arm).
我不同意一個英文差的印印會令小主人英文水平低落.比如一些由講鄉下話的祖父母帶大的小孩,也不會因而影響中英文學科的表現吧.不知你大女兒有多大?是不是五六歲?其實小朋友學習和適應的能力是很利害的,她未必是英語程度倒退,而更可能是她自己發明出這種"chiglish"來和"姐姐"communicate呢!(如你女兒以前可以用fluent English來對話,你和先生可以試下私下同佢談話時用返perfect English同佢傾或比佢睇英文兒童VCD或節目,便知佢是否退步了)
至於一旦發生意外不知如何處理,這倒是較值關注的一點.但不知可否有其他折衷辦法,例如,我的case是,我會叫印印有咩事講唔掂即刻找樓下的管理員叔叔(因我們的屋苑這方面較方便),又或找她一些識講中文/英文的印尼人朋友(例如她教會的女牧師,又或我兄弟家的印印)幫佢打電話比我.
但當然,我會比佢知道,在香港打工識講中文著數好多,而且有時is a must. 我會要求佢中文不斷有進步才可!
另外,我知有一間agent有賣一本書有中印文對照,有words and phrases (with pictures),幾好用,書局都有差不多的,但貴(60多元),那agent的只是20元左右.
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wudy


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發表於 04-5-15 18:23 |只看該作者

Re: 印印來了兩個月都學唔好廣東話

Can someone give me the advice If your Bun Bun like that, will you fry her? She has worked for me for 6 months (first time to H.K., 30 years old unmarried)

I have two boys and I'm a O.L.

1) no improved in cooking, don't know how to organize the food for lunch & dinner, always cooked the same foods (I have told her to ask her friends or borrow the cook books from library). Sometimes for lunch she cooked the same dishes, fry egg with tomato & fry egg with ice fish.

2) poor english and absent mind (one time ask her go out and bring with the mobile phone but - she didn't turn it on.)

3) after she came, my younger son (7 yrs. old) has increased at least 10 pounds, I always told her not to give him too much meat, this afternoon she cooked him the following and I was very angry.
- 1 instant noold
- 2 fried eggs
- 1 jumbo sausage
- 2 chicken sausage
- some vegetables

4) don't ask if she don't know or understand the things.

5) untidy her bed, bags, newspaper, pyjamas, jeans, socks all seen on her bed.

I feel very tired to train her.

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林太太


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發表於 04-5-16 23:35 |只看該作者

Re: 印印來了兩個月都學唔好廣東話

Wudy,

What's you "reservation" for not changing a maid?
(I'm not suggesting you to fire her but you can weigh the pros and cons)

You may buy some cookbooks (there're very good ones in both Chi and Tagalog菲文)and set menues for one week for her. Tell her strictly and clearly what to and not to do (e.g. her bed and her room). Tell her to write down these instructions. If she's not deliberately doing all these or ignoring your instruction or out of laziness, you should be able to see certain improvement.

If you are already doing all these and NO improvement, than "save your gas" and spend some money to buy a chance. "Domestic Helpers" are to HELP us and not to bring troubles, though we as employers have the responsibility to clearly communicate our expectations and give them certain assistance for achieving satisfactory performance.
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joanwghk


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17#
發表於 04-5-17 15:28 |只看該作者

Re: 印印來了兩個月都學唔好廣東話

Please don't expect Indonesian maid to speak fluent English. Because English is not their mother nor second language. Like us, many Hong Kong people cannot speak fluent English as well. If you want to communicate with your maid with English, you should hire those other than Indonesian. Like my sister, her ex-maid was Indonesian, before the maid came, her Agent claimed that she could speak fluent English, but after she had been in my sister's home...in fact, she only could speak very simple English like single words: apple, orange, car, chair, etc. Of course, not all of the Indonesian are like that, but can speak fluent English is only in the minority of them...
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lalalam


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發表於 04-5-18 02:12 |只看該作者

Re: 印印來了兩個月都學唔好廣東話

My Indo maid can speak English because she worked in Singapore last contact, not very fluency but I can understand.
At first I think I have to communicate with her in English, so I talk English with her.However, I found that she can speak and listen Cantonese very well after two months. Now, she has worked here for four months, she talks a lot with my babies. 重好地道廣東話，發音當然不太「正」!
連
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summer123


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發表於 04-5-18 08:23 |只看該作者

Re: 印印來了兩個月都學唔好廣東話

你自己试试看，学两个月德文，看看自己可以学多少？不要期待太多，只要她尽力就好了。
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hehalady


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發表於 04-5-20 09:39 |只看該作者

Re: 印印來了兩個月都學唔好廣東話

[size=medium]wudy

我最唔喜歡比小朋友食 "Junk Food"，根據妳所講，Bun Bun 比妳個仔食埋晒 d 多肉 (唔係新鮮肉 wor，係腸仔 i.e. 有味精、防腐劑 :-x )，咁妳個仔重左 10 lbs，並非好事，因他體內已積存好多脂肪及毒素，妳一定要改正仔仔的飲食習慣喇！

早排，我叔仔要搬屋及換工人，咁我就幫佢幾日跟頭跟尾，順便 train 下個新工人。

第一日，（舊工人）
Lunch - - - 腸仔 + 椰菜 + 烏冬

第二日，（新工人，我剛剛幫叔仔買完 "食送" 上到去，果日就係我第一日開始要 train 果個新工人)
Lunch - - - 腸仔 + 炒蛋 + 菜 + 通粉
晚餐 - - - 腸仔 + 紅衫魚 + 菜 + 白飯

我見過呢三餐之後，[size=medium]當堂[size=large]火都黎 :-x ，咁我嚴厲的叫新工人唔準再比小朋友食埋晒 d Junk Food，你地知道嗎？我兩個姪女 (叔仔個女) 條頸已經有好多粒粒，果 d 唔似「痰火核」，成排 gar，真係好多粒，好恐怖，都唔知係咪咁多年黎食埋晒 d Junk Food 攪到咁 :evil: :evil: :evil:

[size=medium]wudy

再睇埋妳話佢 "untidy her bed, bags, newspaper, pyjamas, jeans, socks all seen on her bed."，咁妳就要立刻：

A) set 好餐單比佢，叫佢跟住 cook
B) Warn 佢要改正妳上述所寫嘅野

如果一 d 改進都無的話，成日咁唔整潔 and 不作改善，咁使唔使亞 Mum 妳幫佢執拾啊，[size=large]炒左佢喇！
路遙知馬力，日久見人心！
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