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發表於 13-12-17 14:50 |只看該作者
本帖最後由 macyli.hk 於 13-12-17 15:08 編輯

《基本法》第一百四十五條「香港特別行政區政府在原有社會福利制度的基礎上,根據經濟條件和社會需要,自行制定其發展、改進的政策。」由於本條只限於「發展」和「改進」,一些削弱或減少原有社會福利的措施,非基本法所能容許。實際上是那個時候寫基本法的那些擦鞋廢物,寫得唔好因此造成的漏洞

如果只寫"自行制定政策 " it is much better
這些擦鞋廢物連基本的普通法訓練都沒有
畫蛇添足

請認清萬惡之泉













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發表於 13-12-17 17:32 |只看該作者
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發表於 13-12-17 17:30 |只看該作者

引用:Quote:tcftcf+發表於+13-12-17+15:24+佢支

原帖由 neko138 於 13-12-17 發表
頭先你講架嘛︰
又關公民黨事?佢幫手打官司?





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發表於 13-12-17 17:27 |只看該作者

引用:Quote:tcftcf+發表於+13-12-17+15:02+又關

原帖由 neko138 於 13-12-17 發表
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWhyeiNACXQ






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發表於 13-12-17 17:27 |只看該作者
點解發展同改進就一定等於唔可以減少?減少某d人既利益,從而令成個福利制度更公平唔係改進同發展咩?


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發表於 13-12-17 17:23 |只看該作者
我鐘意你同我講 I Love U, I Love U Too!
You are the sunshine of my life. That's why I'll always stay around. You are the apple of my eye. Forever you'll stay in my heart.


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發表於 13-12-17 17:22 |只看該作者
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發表於 13-12-17 15:38 |只看該作者
本帖最後由 macyli.hk 於 13-12-17 15:38 編輯
joanl28 發表於 13-12-17 15:00
根本係法官胡亂理解
理財觀念中,下至百姓銀包,上至庫房
「發展」和「改進」都不可能解讀成必加的正數

如果只寫"自行制定政策 " it is much better
這些擦鞋廢物連基本的普通法訓練都沒有
畫蛇添足


香港人非常不幸




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發表於 13-12-17 15:31 |只看該作者
tcftcf 發表於 13-12-17 15:24
佢支持同今次單官司有咩關係?你同而家D人無啦啦入定政府數先有咩分別
...


頭先你講架嘛︰
又關公民黨事?佢幫手打官司?


如果唔係呢班政棍推波助瀾﹐你估班大陸人識走呢D法律漏洞?
如果班立法局議員可以置身事外﹐咁佢地拎緊既人工係邊個比佢? 香港人選佢地出黎係因為支持佢地既理念囉﹐唔係將香港人辛苦賺黎既錢 & 打拼返黎既資源比外人駛下話?


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發表於 13-12-17 15:31 |只看該作者
joanl28 發表於 13-12-17 15:27
咁點解你會假設人地係未睇 ?
新聞都已經有判決要點,就此討論有何問題 ?
...
新聞引要點可能會斷章取義,無可能覆蓋曬當中理據同邏輯?一個判案書最少都十頁紙,我真係唔信幾句可以解釋曬...
獻醜不如藏拙


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發表於 13-12-17 15:30 |只看該作者
tcftcf 發表於 13-12-17 15:02
又關公民黨事?佢幫手打官司?
我見有人話d律師是佢哋d人.


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發表於 13-12-17 15:29 |只看該作者
本帖最後由 macyli.hk 於 13-12-17 15:30 編輯

不同意他們可以享受我們的social benefit without 居住7年
BUT 我好懷疑有 JM 表示她自己已閱讀判詞

again 我不同意他們可以享受我們的social benefit without 居住7年

But 一定不是 "充滿主觀思維", it is logically developed with reference and authority

E.g. :

173. Even though I am of the view that Madam Kong should succeed without having to rely on the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (“the ICESCR”), I propose to deal with this covenant, we having received full argument on it.

174. In 2003, which is the year before the residence requirement for the receipt of CSSA was raised from one year to 7 years, the Hong Kong Government submitted a report to the United Nations’ Committee on Economic Social and Cultural Rights (“the CESCR”) in which this was said:

“It is true that there is no single law – corresponding to the Hong Kong Bill of Rights Ordinance in relation to the ICCPR that incorporates the ICESCR into Hong Kong’s domestic legal order. However, ICESCR provisions are incorporated into our domestic law through several Articles of the Basic Law (for example Articles 27, 36, 37 137, 144 and 149), and through provisions in over 50 Ordinances. Those laws were listed in Annex 3 to the initial report, and are updated at Annex 2A of the present report. We consider that specific measures of this kind more effectively protect Covenant rights than would the mere re-iteration in domestic law of the Covenant provisions themselves.”

The Hong Kong Government said in Annex 2A of that report that art. 39 of the Basic Law is the constitutional guarantee for art. 2 of the ICESCR and that arts 36 and 145 of the Basic Law are the constitutional guarantees for art. 9 of the ICESCR.

175. Article 39 of the Basic Law reads:

“The provisions of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, and international labour conventions as applied to Hong Kong shall remain in force and shall be implemented through the laws of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region.”

The rights and freedoms enjoyed by Hong Kong residents shall not be restricted unless as prescribed by law. Such restrictions shall not contravene the provisions for the preceding paragraph of this Article.”

It will be observed that this article, too, speaks of residents and not only of permanent residents.

176. Turning to the two articles of the ICESCR which the Hong Kong Government told the CESCR are constitutionally guaranteed in Hong Kong, art. 2 reads:

“Each State Party to the present Covenant undertakes to take steps, individually and through international assistance and co-operation, especially economic and technical, to the maximum of its available resources, with a view to achieving progressively the full realization of the rights recognized in the present Covenant by all appropriate means, including particularly the adoption of legislative measures.”

And art. 9 reads:

“The States Parties to the present Covenant recognize the right of everyone to social security, including social insurance.”




THEREFORE 其實是寫基本法的愛黨愛國寫得衰造成的漏洞 ...








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發表於 13-12-17 15:24 |只看該作者
neko138 發表於 13-12-17 15:12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWhyeiNACXQ
佢支持同今次單官司有咩關係?你同而家D人無啦啦入定政府數先有咩分別
獻醜不如藏拙


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發表於 13-12-17 15:22 |只看該作者
joanl28 發表於 13-12-17 15:13
你既然都知未有判決書
人地引左判決精要,你又話唔回住
咁你當初問人仲乜 ?
我當初只係覺得未睇就唔好話判錯.....而有判決書未我真係唔知,我唔會咩都未睇就評論,評論係要有理據.......
獻醜不如藏拙


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發表於 13-12-17 15:12 |只看該作者
tcftcf 發表於 13-12-17 15:02
又關公民黨事?佢幫手打官司?




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWhyeiNACXQ


公民黨禍港又一證據:郭家麒話新來港人士即刻有得申請綜援、公屋

公民黨郭家麒 :---

我地絕對係反對一啲歧視
我地根本係一家人
所以對於一啲政府帶頭歧視新來港人士
"單非"同一啲拿單程證嘅婦女
我地絕對討厭
我們支持政府喺應該取消
在曾蔭權時代搞出來嗰啲
將醫管局病人分等
將申請公屋所有新來港冇得拿
申請綜援新來港啲 冇得拿
呢啲係絕對要取消
至於全民退休保障
所有人都應該平等去拿
如果我地覺得有錢人應該要俾多啲
我地絕對贊成增加利得稅
增加高收入士嘅入息稅
佢地願意俾多少少錢
我地嘅社會有更加多嘅資源
俾基層同埋我地要受助的市民
多謝你地


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whywhite22 發表於 13-12-17 14:56
我覺得立法個班人初時低估咗公文袋會咁樣專功灰色地帶,以致今日局面.
希望能夠一次過釋 ...
最無辜係密密耕耘有錢交稅無錢去旅行果個階層

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