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發表於 24-7-21 07:32 |只看該作者
mizuho 發表於 24-7-19 17:12
唔係MS嘅問題,如果公司IT security用CrowdStrike就會受影響
MS 完全沒有責任嗎? 紐約時報這樣報導:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/19/technology/microsoft-crowdstrike-outage-what-happened.html


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發表於 24-7-21 09:06 |只看該作者
admiral2525 發表於 24-7-21 07:32
MS 完全沒有責任嗎? 紐約時報這樣報導:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/19/technology/microsoft-crow ...

我冇NYTime嘅subscription,睇唔到內容,但CrownStrike自己承認係佢嘅bug
https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/to-our-customers-and-partners/

The outage was caused by a defect found in a Falcon content update for Windows hosts. Mac and Linux hosts are not impacted. This was not a cyberattack.

網上看見有人分享咗個dump,貌似問題係CrowdStrike嘗試寫入一個memory NULL pointer,寫C++嘅人應該都知道要做memory define和cleanup。
問題係一個Priority 0嘅bug點解CtowdStrike可以漏咗發build,個QA VP切腹都唔掂。但暫時知道嘅信息睇唔到MS嘅責任,除了Windows Server嘅market share比重好大,作為一個OS,佢提供咗開發基礎俾軟件公司,但軟件點寫點用唔係佢可以控制,只可以俾SDK做guidance


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發表於 24-7-21 09:13 |只看該作者
mizuho 發表於 24-7-21 09:06
我冇NYTime嘅subscription,睇唔到內容,但CrownStrike自己承認係佢嘅bug
https://www.crowdstrike.com/bl ...

部份報導內容:

But Microsoft had also said there was an earlier outage affecting U.S. users of Azure, its cloud service system. Some users may have been affected by both. Even as CrowdStrike sent out a fix, some systems were still affected by midday in the United States as businesses needed to make manual updates to their systems to resolve the issue.

While CrowdStrike is at fault for the software bug, J.J. Guy, chief executive of cybersecurity company Sevco, said poor resiliency of Microsoft’s operating system is to blame for extent of the damage.

“Bugs happen all the time and are unavoidable, the result of business complexity and technology,” Mr. Guy said. “But this became a catastrophic incident because of the remediation procedures. The resiliency of the operating system was not sufficient to mitigate the risk of that.”

Microsoft did not immediately respond to requests for comment on its operating system. The company’s chief executive, Satya Nadella, said in a post on X that Microsoft is working with CrowdStrike to offer customers technical guidance and bring systems back online.


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發表於 24-7-21 10:29 |只看該作者
admiral2525 發表於 24-7-21 09:13
部份報導內容:

But Microsoft had also said there was an earlier outage affecting U.S. users of Azur ...

回覆嘅J.J. Guy, chief executive of cybersecurity company Sevco,當然希望所有開發軟件嘅公司都可以將自己嘅bug歸咎於OS唔夠resilient
其實呢啲航空公司只用單一server solution,完全冇catastrophic backup recovery strategy唔應該都要受罰嗎?我公司只有非常少server受影響,而且restore得好快,啲staff當然哀嚎,但Data Center自己都要做好自己嘅resilient plan,呢個係IT運營嘅基礎。



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發表於 24-7-21 11:18 |只看該作者
mizuho 發表於 24-7-21 10:29
回覆嘅J.J. Guy, chief executive of cybersecurity company Sevco,當然希望所有開發軟件嘅公司都可以將 ...

既然閣下認為航空公司也有責任,這個不能否認,那 MS 作為電腦作業系統的提供者,就更加不能免責。


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發表於 24-7-21 11:47 |只看該作者
admiral2525 發表於 24-7-21 11:18
既然閣下認為航空公司也有責任,這個不能否認,那 MS 作為電腦作業系統的提供者,就更加不能免責。
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哈哈哈 閣下要咁講都沒辦法


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發表於 24-7-21 12:15 |只看該作者
mizuho 發表於 24-7-21 11:47
哈哈哈 閣下要咁講都沒辦法

都是跟你說的原則,即是每個參與者都應做到最好,不要雙標啊!

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